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On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

Posted on: February 9, 2009 12:50 pm
Edited on: February 9, 2009 1:21 pm

Curt Schilling has the right idea when, in the wake of the Alex Rodriguez steroid revelations, he blogs that he'd "be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on."

He's just several years too late.

As Schilling blogs over on, "In my opinion, if you don't do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever."

That is precisely where the players' union fumbled so badly back in the 1990s and early 2000s:

As Don Fehr, his despicable assistant Gene Orza and the rest of union leadership stonewalled steroid testing because it supposedly violated the players' rights, players who were clean could have -- should have -- banded together and demanded testing.

They should have demanded it for two reasons:

1. What about their rights? There was a distinct competitive disadvantage. Some clean players, who were trying to do it the right way, undoubtedly were losing jobs because they were not using the performance-enhancing drugs that some of their competitors were.

2. As the steroid cloud grew, all players were under its shadow. There has been guilt-by-association now for years.

Schilling was very outspoken on the topic years ago, and good for him. But he did himself  and all clean players a disservice when, in front of Congress in 2005, he said of PEDs, "I think while I agree it's a problem, I think the issue was grossly overstated by some people, including myself."

It's good to see Schilling the author writing on this topic on his blog. I'd love it if his influence -- and that of others -- could convince the union to sign off on releasing the entire list of 104 players who failed the PED tests in 2003 (it'll never, ever happen).

But the greater good of the game could have been served far more if this strong concern for the clean players had been voiced far more vociferously years ago by those rank-and-file union members when they had the chance to do something about it.


Since: Dec 31, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2009 11:23 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

Curt Schilling has the right idea when, in the wake of the Alex Rodriguez steroid revelations, he blogs that he'd "be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on."I am glad Schilling is still pressing the issue. This onesy twosy approach only serves to further exasurbate the problem.  We can all look like we are smart by looking at the past and saying what we should have done.  I believe baseball and I am talking about all baseball: players, owners, commissioner, players union putting this thing to bed.  I feel like baseball should take the Obama approach he conveyed tonight in his address to the nation. I am more interested in what are we going to do now (my paraphrase).  As for the steriod issue, read my thoughts in my blog.

Since: Jan 17, 2009
Posted on: February 9, 2009 9:38 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

when is the last time you heard somebody confess to something BEFORE they got caught?  hello?  buhler?

the reason the clean players didn't band together, silly, is because there were only a handful of them, and they would have been blackballed from the sport.  remember the treatment "scab" players got for crossing the picket lines in football?  are you kidding me? c'mon mr. miller, you need a better argument than that.

admit that the reason you dislike bonds and clemens and a-fraud are because they are the icons of the game and the only ones to be targeted if widespread change is desired.  if you punish a few no-name minor leaguers, no one pays any attention.  if you punish three of the biggest names to ever play in the sport, more people pay attention.

people will always try to work around the rules to gain a competitive advantage.  it's called human nature.  stop hating it so much.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2009 8:05 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

I personaly am getting tired of Curt Schilling. OK fine - he was clean. So was Frank Thomas. Stop preaching about it!!! I can't imagine what it would be like at my job if 3 or 4 guys/gals rode their high horse every day about how to "clean up our office". Let the people in charge take care of it.

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2009 7:44 pm

A-FREUD as in Sigmund

Absolutely, this all has to be put on the table, 100% and let the healing begin, it is the only way we get out of this Quagmire!

"Play Ball!"

Way to go Jose Conseco

Way to go:




and now A-Freud

This will be interesting to see how this plays out........the Truth will free you or something like that. I don't totally blame the players'.

The Commissioner, MLB, the Union leaders, the media, the fans and the players are all at fault here, as Bob Kostas said once Barry Bonds is a good player.....but two hundred +/- homeruns better than Willie Mays? UUUMMM.

Since: Dec 10, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2009 4:54 pm

Are we tired of this????

I for one am sick of all the steroid talk.  Bonds this...  Clemens that....  Now A-rod...

I hope that all the players names comes out.  The rest of the players that are on the list, please step up and admit to trying them and then put the case to rest.  Jason Giambi - admitted to being a user is still in the league and has been forgiven.  Andy Pettitte -admitted right away and has been forgotten about..   

I'm glad that A-rod came out and admitted it..  He has certainly learned from what is happening.  I could take the Giambi/Pettitte route, or could go the Bonds/Clemens route.  He watched and learned..     

.. and as fans, we pay enough money to watch the games.  Now we are paying money to the government to open up sealed files to go after Bonds.  Clemens is next..  I just want it all to be over with..


Since: Sep 13, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2009 3:41 pm

It will be leaked

You may be right that it will never be released, but the list exists and some people have access to it. It will be leaked, eventually. How can it not?

It may take years or even a decade, but I think someone will eventually leak it as long as the list exists in at least one place, accessible to the four or so people who confirmed A-Rod's inclusion (or people like them).

Since: Dec 25, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2009 3:27 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

I agree to disagree. IMO there were more than the 104 at the time that were dirty. Just were smart enough to cycle off before testing. Did they or did they not know of the test. Some probably kept cycling due they figured it would never come out. Others much smarter CYA. Look I will always be fan of baseball. * era or not. I just wish we could put this behind us. Roids never put the bat on a ball. Did help check swings out of the park. Roids never made a picther throw 110mph. Did help recover in 4 days. This going to be great for baseball. IMO it is going to get younger and have more defense again.

The commish and owners are to blame. MLB would not have made the money it did with non roid players. Well now they get to see what it is like. Baseball could have withstood this blackeye 5 or 6 years ago. Now they have to try and make through this economic downfall while losing some fans. I wonder how roids impacted the salaries of these players. Owners paid big money for some of these guys. Now the table is set and players will not produce at the same rate. No bang for the buck to say. I just hope the game I love get past this and moves on.

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2009 2:56 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

Calling out the damn union - what a concept.  And that's the best adjective I've ever heard attibuted to Orza, but it makes me wonder what you really think of the ring leader Fehr.

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2009 1:40 pm

On A-Rod, Schilling and 'roids

I agree. But at the same time, hindsight is 20-20, and essentially all of baseball -- including the users themselves -- were in denial in the early stages of this circus.

I personally don't know why ANY non-user ever would have been against testing. The only thing that would be lost is some aspect of players' privacy. But to clean up the game, that is such a small price to pay.

Instead, we're all paying a very large price now, and Lord knows if the cost will ever diminish.

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