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Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

Posted on: July 23, 2011 3:07 pm
Edited on: July 23, 2011 3:23 pm
 


COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- There is no reasonable explanation why Roberto Alomar was not a first-ballot Hall of Famer. None.

There are theories as to why he had to wait until his second year of eligibility. Mine is this: An enormous bloc of the New York voters left him off of their ballots, penalizing him for the way his skills vanished almost overnight at the end of his career during his brief stay with the Mets. I think they confused the fact that he couldn't play anymore with their suspicion that he simply quit trying.

Consequently, I think that many of them withheld their votes from Alomar until this year. That's their prerogative and their right, even if I disagree.

The other, more prevailing theory is that Alomar was penalized in the voting for the one despicable incident in his career, when he spat upon the face of umpire John Hirschbeck. He long ago apologized, and the two men have maintained a good relationship over the years since.

As for that possibility, this is what Alomar says:

"Me and John, we have a great relationship. We have become great friends, and I want people to know that the year that I didn't make it, one of the first phone calls that I got was from him apologizing, [saying] that he feels sorry for me not making it ... saying that was one of the reasons why I didn’t' make it in the first round.

"And I told him, 'No, it's not your fault. It was my fault. And, you know, we just have to move on. Me and John have become great friends. We have done a lot of great things for the foundation. I became real friends with him and his family. John embraced me the same way I embraced him.

"And when I got in this year, he was one of the happiest men alive. He left a message on my phone. I still have the message. And it was a great message and, you know ... we both move on and hopefully people can move on and let this episode go."

Likes: The village of Cooperstown is like something from the set of a 1940s movie. What a great place. You can never go wrong by coming here. ... Reggie Jackson striding through Sam Smith's Boathouse and Blue Mingo Grill for dinner in Cooperstown. The Macadamia nut encrusted halibut is outstanding at the Boathouse, by the way. And the coconut cake with vanilla ice cream is sensational. ... Robin Yount and Paul Molitor coming in from the golf course Saturday morning. ... Talking about the late Sparky Anderson with Al Kaline in the lobby of the Otesaga Hotel here Saturday morning. ... Bert Blyleven's sense of humor. ... Billy Williams' smile.

Dislikes: Cell phone service is awful in the area. My phone is getting reception probably an average of 10 minutes every hour.

Comments

Since: Jul 31, 2008
Posted on: July 27, 2011 1:11 pm
 

Alomar SHOULDNT be in the HOF, Rose should be!

In my opinion (which means nothing) I dont understand why Alomar or Blyleven made it into the HOF at all. Sure they had some impressive stats but were they the most dominant players during their time? Hardly. Were they the best ever. No way. I feel the selections have watered down the HOF to the point where mere mortals are allowed to join. The HOF should be reserved for those few VERY special players like Cal Ripken, Nolan Ryan, Ricky Henderson, Derek Jeter (yes Jeter he has 3000+ hits thats special), Ken Griffey Jr.

12 Golden glove awards just means his competition sucked. No HR titles, only 1 MVP never led the league in RBI SB or AVG. Just an above average player. Not HOF. Id rather see no one elected than someone who is not the elite of all time.

An no player who has connections to steroids should ever be let into the HOF with tainted numbers (not referring to Alomar here).

Please allow Pete Rose into the HOF. What he did as a manager should not be confused with what he did as a player. He should never be allowed to coach or manage again in the majors but I have no problems with the minors.



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: July 24, 2011 1:24 am
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

Why do some people insist on playing the race card when none exists. it was a heat of the moment thing that Alomar did and realized he did something wrong. Apologized almost immediately and the apology was accepted to the point that the 2 became friends. You wrote a lot of words for something that should have stayed in your head.
 Yep. Race is used way too loosely. It's become so bad, that when there is real racism, few notice.



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: July 24, 2011 1:23 am
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

What would have been the reaction had Alomar been white, the umpire been Eric Gregg?
He would have gotten a standing ovation. Eric Gregg was a fat slob and one of the worst umpires ever. Joe West, Angel Hernandez and Ron Luciano are his main rivals for worst ever.


Alomar did nothing wrong by journalist Miller's lefty viewpoint.
What? Miller isn't Ray Ratto or Mike Freeman. Ratto is a bloated self indulgent phony and Freeman is a flatout racist. 


Do you think that Alomar would have spat in the face of a Hispanic umpire
Yes, if it were Angel Hernandez. And if he did, he would also have gotten a standing ovation.


Had Alomar been white and spat on a black umpire, as far as the media is concerned, the world would have stopped turning
Maybe hacks like Ratto and Freeman would have jumped on that. However, Miller is about baseball and rock-n-roll, not politics.


The main point here is Alomar admitted his error and reached out to the ump and forged a relationship. Did you miss that?



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: July 24, 2011 1:15 am
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

There is no reasonable explanation why Roberto Alomar was not a first-ballot Hall of Famer. None.

There are theories as to why he had to wait until his second year of eligibility. Mine is this: An enormous bloc of the New York voters left him off of their ballots, penalizing him for the way his skills vanished almost overnight at the end of his career during his brief stay with the . I think they confused the fact that he couldn't play anymore with their suspicion that he simply quit trying.

Consequently, I think that many of them withheld their votes from Alomar until this year. That's their prerogative and their right, even if I disagree.

The other, more prevailing theory is that Alomar was penalized in the voting for the one despicable incident in his career, when he spat upon the face of umpire John Hirschbeck. He long ago apologized, and the two men have maintained a good relationship over the years since.

As for that possibility, this is what Alomar says:

"Me and John, we have a great relationship. We have become great friends, and I want people to know that the year that I didn't make it, one of the first phone calls that I got was from him apologizing, [saying] that he feels sorry for me not making it ... saying that was one of the reasons why I didn’t' make it in the first round.

"And I told him, 'No, it's not your fault. It was my fault. And, you know, we just have to move on. Me and John have become great friends. We have done a lot of great things for the foundation. I became real friends with him and his family. John embraced me the same way I embraced him.

"And when I got in this year, he was one of the happiest men alive. He left a message on my phone. I still have the message. And it was a great message and, you know ... we both move on and hopefully people can move on and let this episode go."

Likes: The village of Cooperstown is like something from the set of a 1940s movie. What a great place. You can never go wrong by coming here. ... Reggie Jackson striding through Sam Smith's Boathouse and Blue Mingo Grill for dinner in Cooperstown. The Macadamia nut encrusted halibut is outstanding at the Boathouse, by the way. And the coconut cake with vanilla ice cream is sensational. ... Robin Yount and Paul Molitor coming in from the golf course Saturday morning. ... Talking about the late Sparky Anderson with Al Kaline in the lobby of the Otesaga Hotel here Saturday morning. ... Bert Blyleven's sense of humor. ... Billy Williams' smile.

Dislikes: Cell phone service is awful in the area. My phone is getting reception probably an average of 10 minutes every hour.

 
No, the fact is unlike you most voting sports writers and announcers do not know or love the sport. How do you explain how Tom Seaver didn't get 100% of the vote? How do you explain why Ron Santo isn't in the Hall, yet Phil Niekro is? Santo dominated his position for a decade in the NL, while Niekro was never even close to being one of the top 10 best pitchers in his league at any time. Seaver may have been the greatest pitcher ever. His numbers with an offensively challenged team are mind-boggling.

Alomar didn't get in earlier because some of these media jackals are hacks and carry a grudge. Perhaps they wanted to make him wait because of a perceived slight they suffered personally or to one of the players they liked. Some may have taken the innuendos about his personal life into effect. Others may have held the spitting incident against him. To his credit, Robbie admitted his error and reached out to the ump. That shows class and strength.

I'm a huge Mets fan, but would never ever question his HOF worthiness. The guy was one of the best 2B , I've ever seen. In my lifetime as a baseball fan(1969-present), only Joe Morgan was a better 2B man IMO. I saw Robbie play one of his first games @ Shea and I'll never forget, I turned to my wife and said, this guy is unreal. He made 3 plays @ 2B, I never saw anyone make and was a raw rookie. His name stuck in my mind and he turned in an incredible career.

Alomar and Blyleven both belong. So does Pat Gillick. The HOF got this class right.




Since: Feb 2, 2008
Posted on: July 23, 2011 9:49 pm
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

Maux, I've read ssome of your rants before and shook my head. This time however, I've had to reply to your stupidity.

WHAT THE HELL DOES RACE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS?

Why do some people insist on playing the race card when none exists. it was a heat of the moment thing that Alomar did and realized he did something wrong. Apologized almost immediately and the apology was accepted to the point that the 2 became friends. You wrote a lot of words for something that should have stayed in your head.

That leads me to wonder why some people not involved in an incident feel pious enough to hold a grudge against someone in that incident. Ridiculous. Reminds me of that nosy neighbour that had to be involved in everything I did. I'll terll you what I told her. It's none of your business.



Since: Nov 29, 2006
Posted on: July 23, 2011 8:37 pm
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

Yeah sure. Alomar did nothing wrong by journalist Miller's lefty viewpoint. Alomar spit in John Hirshbeck's face, who happens to be white. It's no surprise that Miller finds no problem with that. What would have been the reaction had Alomar been white, the umpire been Eric Gregg? Would it all still be the same with Miller? Would he be defending Alomar under those circumstances? What if Gregg has been called a racial epithet? Would that still be OK, and Miller have still penned an article aying Alomar should have been voted in on the first ballot? We all know the answer here and what the truth is in today's society. Had Alomar been white and spat on a black umpire, as far as the media is concerned, the world would have stopped turning. It's funny how the same incident would be interpreted differently if nothing changed but skin color. We all know it would have. But why should it be different? Alomar is Hispanic and Hirschbeck in white. There is a racially charged motive. Do you think that Alomar would have spat in the face of a Hispanic umpire? Just asking. Be honest.



Since: Oct 29, 2007
Posted on: July 23, 2011 8:34 pm
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

He was a punk.  If he is allowed in Cooperstown, as they say, "there goes the neighborhood."  Never liked him, never will.



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: July 23, 2011 7:12 pm
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

i agree there are and should be consequences for are actions and if waitng a year for spitting in someones face is all he had to do and him and the ump are good now great, but as an umpire for 25 years i tell u honestly i lost alot of respect for him as a player when he did that i mean aolt of respect. high paid ballplayers should be held to a higher standard than your average joe playing in a bar league like it or not. i am glad he made but look at the guy beside him who had to wait fourteen years to make it his credentials have always been hof worthy but he plaed in asmall market but won almost 300 games and world series with more than one team mr miller quit whining he had to wait a whole year it is honor to be there no matter how long u wait. what will be disappointing to me is when they start electing all the steroid addicts into the what a disgrace and shame  that will bring to the game. starting with bonds and a-rod they should not get in and all their records should have  an * by then along with others who used performance enchaning drugs. but maybe you think if everyone cheats thats ok too. sorry mr miller you are way off base here. alomar is desrving but not his first year is good for the game. 



Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: July 23, 2011 4:30 pm
 

Alomar should have been first-ballot HOFer

Obviously, the reason is the spitting incident.  As an Orioles fan, it was a disgusting representation of the team, and altered my view of Alomar. 

He was one of the best players in the game when he played.  So he has to wait a year or two to get inducted into the HOF ... big deal, consequences can be far-reaching and long-lasting.


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