Play Fantasy The Most Award Winning Fantasy game with real time scoring, top expert analysis, custom settings, and more. Play Now
Blog Entry

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

Posted on: December 5, 2011 5:30 pm
Edited on: December 6, 2011 12:39 am
 
DALLAS -- Heath Bell, done. Jose Reyes, done.

Now owner Jeffrey Loria says the Marlins can add more, and you'd better believe it. The Marlins met twice with the agent for Albert Pujols on Monday, sources said late Monday night, boosting its nine-year offer in the process and giving the slugger even more to think about.

No decision was imminent as midnight approached, and one person with knowledge of the talks said they likely will play out more before a decision is reached. The Cardinals also met with Pujols' agent, Dan Lozano, on Monday, and so did the Cubs.

But it is the Marlins who have stolen the show early in these winter meetings, and it is their efforts for Pujols that have electrified the lobby here at the Hilton Anatole.

Pujols in the same lineup with Reyes, Hanley Ramirez, Mike Stanton and others?

"That would be great," Bell told CBSSports.com Monday. "I'm telling you right now, we definitely can win the NL East, even with just Reyes."

Imagine that. Even with just Reyes.

As in, gee, even if we don't sign Pujols, we've got an embarrassment of riches.

"I think we can win the division right now," Bell continued. "The Phillies, I think we can beat 'em.

"Ryan Howard is hurt. They might not be getting Jimmy Rollins back."

It is a tilting landscape and a bizarro world. As Rollins continued to frost out on the free agent market Thursday, sources said the Phillies were discussing free agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez. Then they'd trade Placido Polanco, and maybe get a shortstop elsewhere

Whatever on the Phillies front. The Marlins are charging hard toward their new stadium and toward the top of the NL East.

Owner Jeffrey Loria would not speak directly about Pujols on Monday, but not because that's some crazy rumor.

"I don't want to talk about Albert," Loria said. "That's not the purpose of today. This is Heath's day."

Tuesday or, more likely, Wednesday will be Reyes' day, the day the Marlins introduce him formally here at the winter meetings.

Meantime, they're working hard toward another addition. The Pujols talks are serious. So are those for a starting pitcher. One person close to the Marlins suggested Monday night that free agent left-hander Mark Buehrle actually is above Pujols on the club's wish list. Loria has told people that the club's payroll, roughly $45 million last year, could zoom to the $100 million range in 2012.

When this winter started, that seemed like a bad joke.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, thinks the Marlins aren't serious now.

"I'm a serious guy," Loria said. "I don't know how many times I have to tell you guys that."

You cannot even begin to describe how different life is for the Marlins, whose executives arrived here about midday Monday. These are the guys -- Loria, president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest, general manager Michael Hill -- who sold their wares on the streets of the winter meetings in years past because they were so poor.

These are the guys who traded Miguel Cabrera to Detroit, Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to Boston. ...

"We had a plan a few years ago," Loria said. "That's the reason why Mike Stanton is here, the reason why Logan Morrison is here, the reason why Hanley Ramirez is here."

As Beinfest says, the Marlins plan always was to compete, they just had to find extra creative ways to do so.

Now?

"It's fun," Beinfest kept saying Monday. "It's fun to come in here and sign an All-Star closer. There's nothing wrong with that."

In a perfect Marlins world, they'd leave Dallas on Thursday with Bell, Reyes and Pujols or Buehrle all done. But as quickly as they're moving, there's still some uncertainty.

"We'd love to get things done as fast as possible and achieve our goals," Beinfest said. "But we don't control everything. It takes two to tango."

Sure does. But the Marlins have entered the free agent market with swagger and are causing some folks to dance as fast as they can. Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt said earlier Monday that he remains "hopeful" of signing Pujols.

"We're making every effort" to sign him, DeWitt said.

Well if they're serious, the Cardinals had better get moving. Because the Marlins are as serious as a spring breaker hell-bent on ravaging the Fort Lauderdale nightlife.

"We want to do more," Beinfest said. "We'd like to do more. There are some things we'd like to achieve.

"We're still in conversation with free agents and with clubs."

Every door is open, including trades -- with players both going and coming. Loria mostly remained tight-lipped regarding diva superstar Hanley Ramirez, who now must shove over to third base to make room for Reyes.

"Hanley is a super-professional," Loria said. "That's all I will say. We will work with him, make everything comfortable for him."

You bet they will. They're making everything comfortable for Bell, Reyes and others as they go. Loria anticipates attendance bumping up to somewhere between 2.8 and 3 million in 2012. They drew an NL-low 1.5 million last year.

They win like Bell says they can, maybe there really, finally, will be a buzz around the Marlins.

Said Beinfest: "It's time for this organization to play October baseball."



Comments

Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2011 12:33 am
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

1 for 5. Your just proviing my point for me, and I would like to thank you. There regular season wins did not lead to post season success. You can't look it at the right way because your a fan of the team. I never said they "don't have a great shot" it's a simple fact that a teams window to win does not stay open forever. Every team goes through injuries, The Cardinals did. They are the World Series Champions.You keep talking about how teams finished last year, this isn't last year...

You don't have to "buy it" The truth, and reality speaks for itself.

Have a nice night. 

ok bro- ill take the hit on my rank for this but i'm done this discussion- you are like talking to a wall- good luck with your Blue Jays- you and your small market team aren't worth my money.



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:51 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

nice try buddy, but i am not buying it- you said they haven't had any success and they have.  Oh and big bad NYC who can buy players and lure them to the Big Apple, well, it didn't work so well to get Cliff Lee did it?  Correct me if I am wrong but he took LESS money to go play in Philadelphia because he, and his family, enjoyed it better.  My point about the attendence wasn't directed at you, it was to touch on the fact that the fans will need to support the franchise if they want to keep this big, expenseive wheel turning.

BTW, the window isn't shut on the Phillies yet buddy- they won 102 games last year- mets are on our heels? I guess you didn't hear they are losing their world class shortstop and that they finished 5th in the NL East (that's last buddy) in a division that has the Nationals (and i don't want to hear you now jump on their wagon and talk about how they are young and will be good).  The Braves did a lot of huffing and puffing but no houses came down (winning percentage of .549 to the Phillies percentage of .630, which was the highest winning percentage in baseball).  Chase Utley missed a large part of the season with injuries, howard was hampered by injuries, and they STILL won the most games.  Until the train slows down, you can't make a claim that they won't have a great shot at winning the Series next year.  The Phillies have the best pitching rotation in not only the NL East, but also the NL, and possibly all of MLB (era of 3.02).

Please noles, take your ball and go home because your arguments are full of hot air and I am tired of popping balloons
1 for 5. Your just proviing my point for me, and I would like to thank you. There regular season wins did not lead to post season success. You can't look it at the right way because your a fan of the team. I never said they "don't have a great shot" it's a simple fact that a teams window to win does not stay open forever. Every team goes through injuries, The Cardinals did. They are the World Series Champions.You keep talking about how teams finished last year, this isn't last year...

You don't have to "buy it" The truth, and reality speaks for itself.

Have a nice night. 



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 5:45 am
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

nice try buddy, but i am not buying it- you said they haven't had any success and they have.  Oh and big bad NYC who can buy players and lure them to the Big Apple, well, it didn't work so well to get Cliff Lee did it?  Correct me if I am wrong but he took LESS money to go play in Philadelphia because he, and his family, enjoyed it better.  My point about the attendence wasn't directed at you, it was to touch on the fact that the fans will need to support the franchise if they want to keep this big, expenseive wheel turning.

BTW, the window isn't shut on the Phillies yet buddy- they won 102 games last year- mets are on our heels? I guess you didn't hear they are losing their world class shortstop and that they finished 5th in the NL East (that's last buddy) in a division that has the Nationals (and i don't want to hear you now jump on their wagon and talk about how they are young and will be good).  The Braves did a lot of huffing and puffing but no houses came down (winning percentage of .549 to the Phillies percentage of .630, which was the highest winning percentage in baseball).  Chase Utley missed a large part of the season with injuries, howard was hampered by injuries, and they STILL won the most games.  Until the train slows down, you can't make a claim that they won't have a great shot at winning the Series next year.  The Phillies have the best pitching rotation in not only the NL East, but also the NL, and possibly all of MLB (era of 3.02).

Please noles, take your ball and go home because your arguments are full of hot air and I am tired of popping balloons



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:15 am
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

Noles, now I am really beginning to question your IQ level- i said I AGREE that the overall goal is winning championships and 2nd place is the first loser (re: see my post).  But you distinctly said that the Phillies haven't had any success in the postseason- which is incorrect.  Obsviously you aren't tuned into the idea of debating because the premise of your argument is incorrect.
Success is winning. Not finishing 2nd,3rd,4th,5th... Success is being number 1. Winning a championship. I really don't mind that you "question my IQ level". I live in what the reality of success is in modern day sports,especially when you have a near 180 million dollar payroll behind you to help produce a winner, along with some home grown talent. CHAMPIONSHIPS - BEING NUMBER 1 = SUCCESS. Again (as I have already) stated I am speaking on the last few years. But if you want to get technical, they are the oldest franchise in the history of sports in North America in the same city with the same name, been around since 1883. They have won 2 championships in a 128 years. Is that success? We are talking about a team that has 5 straight NL East titles and ONE championship to for all those attempts. So, they are 1-5 in the past 5 seasons. What does attendance have to do with winning ball games? You really try way too hard to prove a point, and I am just not seeing it. No way in my mind does making the playoffs and failing mean you are having success. 

Look out, The Mets are making moves, The Braves were right on your heels already, Nationals keep improving and the Marlins are signing top talent to go with there young team. The Phillies had there shot (5 of them) to win multiple world series championsips and failed at it, now these teams are trying to get there shot. The window for winning doesn't stay open forever unless you can continually have top tier talent, which is easier said than done. A team like the Yankees can lure just about any player with the the idea of playing in New York, the Yankees tradition..and a boat load of money. Not every team can do that.



Since: Jun 20, 2010
Posted on: December 7, 2011 2:24 am
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

***BREAKING NEWS***



The Los Angeles Angels have pulled off a massive 3-way trade with the St. Louis Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The exact details of the trade are not clear yet, but the key players involved are Albert Pujols, Hanley Rameriz, Kendry Morales, and Vernon Wells, with Pujols and Hanley Rameriz going to the Angels for a handful of players and also cash considerations  The St. Louis Cardinals who were able to offer Albert Pujols the best contract available to him as far as money and total years goes will sign and trade away Pujols for players from both the Angels and the Marlins.  After signing Pujols, the Cardinals will then trade him to the Angels who will in turn send a combination of players to both the Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The Miami Marlins will then send Hanley Rameriz to the Angels.  The following players from the Angles will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins, Los Angeles Angel Kendry Morales, Vernon Wells, Alberto Callaspo, Jerome Williams, Fernando Rodney, and either Erik Aybar or Maicer Izturis will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins.   It is not clear what players from the Cardinals and the Marlins will also be involved in the trade, but Jon Jay of the Cardinals and Gaby Sanchez of the Marlins have been possible names mentioned. 


Look for more detailed information on this trade to be available in the next couple of days.

   Larry Dobrow, CBSsports.com   




Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:30 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

As to Bell's comments, what do you want him to say? Yea we have no chance to beat the Phillies. Were just happy to be playing in a new stadium and we will probably lose every game we play to them. Gimme a break. The Marlins have been pretty competitive with a young roster, who knows what even adding a few pieces in Bell, Reyes will do? Hanley Ramirez should have a bounce back year, you have Gaby Sanchez, Logan Morrison, Mike Stanton.... my hunch is these Marlins are not done signing guys. When I said I am now a fan of the team, I didn't mean my fave team. Just a team who plays in the NL that I am going to follow. 

What do I think Bell should say about coming to the Marlins?  Well first off, as a team that finished 9th in the NL last year, I wouldn't be commenting that I can beat the team that is consistently at the top of the NL.  I'd probably say something like "it is a really exciting time to be in Miami, with a new stadium it looks as though the fans and owners are dedicated to making this a highly successful team that can compete for a ring perinenially."  I'd probably say something like that.  It's one thing to have confidence in your new squad, it's another to call out one of the best teams in the majors in friggin December.

Oh, and to your claim about the Phills being built to win now?  Yes, they are- but that's not to say that they can't continue to build, and build, and build year after year- I don't think you are giving Gillick and the Phillies front office enough love here.  Don't forget that the Phills were 1st in attendence in MLB last year (your Blue Jays came in 25th btw).  They have sold out 204 home games in a row.  In 2009 they were second only to the Yankees, 2008 to Yankees and Dodgers- but if you break it down to percentages of the ballpark as other stadiums have more seats, the Phills are always at the top. 

Unless Miami produces a fan base that is ready to accept this team and support it in high's and in LOWS then I don't want to hear anything.  The fact is the Phillies fans will continue to support this team (producing money) and the Phillies front office will continue to spend money (thus producing highly competative taems).  Don't get it twisted, good for the Marlins owners- they negotiated an absurd deal for the new stadium (keep in my the Marlins owner also owns the Eagles and is a slithe little man), so they have some cash to spend.  I really hope an AL team gets involved in the AP race because dealing with him for another decade is a nightmare...



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2011 11:11 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

Winning championships is all that matters for a lot of clubs, your going to sit here and tell me when the Phillies picked up Oswalt, Halladay & Lee they didn't have there eyes on a championship? They didn't go out and acquire those guys to lose in the playoffs. Some teams are at a different pace, they are just trying to develop there talent and improve there club. Some others are built to win immediately, The Phillies fall into that category. With that payroll, with that rotation..they should be winning. 2nd place is meaning less, ask the Texas Rangers or the Buffalo Bills, or even my Vancouver Canucks. They had a very good regular season, but who cares? The Goal is to win championships.

Noles, now I am really beginning to question your IQ level- i said I AGREE that the overall goal is winning championships and 2nd place is the first loser (re: see my post).  But you distinctly said that the Phillies haven't had any success in the postseason- which is incorrect.  Obsviously you aren't tuned into the idea of debating because the premise of your argument is incorrect.

If you had said the phillies have only won one championship and that in itself is a failure due to the payroll and amount of talent on the team then yes, i can agree to a certain extent- but that WASN'T your point.

You claimed they haven't had any success- that is not true.  Making it to 2 world series and 1 NLCS IS having success, just not the amount of success wanted.  Read your statement carefully friend because you are changing your argument now.

I agree, as a Phills fan, that with our rotation and their ridiculous ERA's that we should have more rings and yes, it is extremely dissapointing.  But to say they haven't had ANY success is WRONG!



Since: Oct 7, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 8:50 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

Don, to begin with Oswalt won't even be on the phils next year. Halladay is one year removed from Cy and second last year, no one except Kershaw compares to him. You WAYY understate Lee's value. He had stretches last year where he went like 20 scoreless innings and was pitcher of the month twice!! Very few teams have a starter that would steal away the ace spot from him, certainly not Anibal Sanchez. You are forgetting no. 3 pitcher Hamels who would be many teams ace, and Worley who was nearly rookie of the year last year, And they added Papelbon who is at least an equal to Bell. your pitching argument holds NO water, but the downfall of the Phils will be their hitting which they apparently are doing nothing to improve.

The addition of Pujols would make it interesting, but my guess is he is just fielding these offers to bump up the price to StL where he wants to stay. As the Marlins stand now, they will finish a solid third. Remember, Reyes will spend at least three months on dl with hammy issues, and the chemistry problem is already rearing its ugly head as Hanley stated today he won't demand a trade, but he also will not move to third.



Since: Oct 9, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 8:37 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

Ummmm Your weird. You kindof forgot about another Pitcher which won the World series and was MVP. Ummm Hamels still pitches you know. Oswalt wont be back but Worley showed hes a gamer. Theres no way a team can stack up against Phillies Starting Pitching. I would say the only team that does come close is Giants and Cards. Weinwright is very good when Healthy.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2011 8:32 pm
 

New Marlin Bell: We can beat the Phillies

As for the Marlins I believe they as a unit is more hungry than the Phillies. I don't believe Hanley is the answer at shortstop and I will go as far as saying the Marlins will probably have to deal him if he starts up with his BS like he did yesterday moaning about the move to thirdbase. I don't believe the Marlins have the depth or tools to go into a deep series with a team like the Giants or Cardinals, because of their 1-2-3 starters are better than the Marlins 1 thru 3. Lincecum can match Johnson and go beyond, because JJ is done by the 7th inning with high pitch counts. Anibal on his best day can take out that Giants lineup, but he can't go even with Matt Cain. Ricky Nolasco is a dam joke I won't even get into him, he is barely even a number 5 starter anymore.


The views expressed in this blog are solely those of the author and do not reflect the views of CBS Sports or CBSSports.com